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Registered: ‎04-26-2010

Artix-7 estimated shipping date.

Hi. 

 

I have a current FPGA design based on a spartan 3AN and I was going to upgrade it to the spartan6.  But now that they annouced the Artix-7 I might wait for it.  So the question, roughly guessing when will the first chips will show up.  I only need small quatities to start with for the development.

 

Thanks Bren

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There is no publically announced date for Artix-7 device availability. 

 

If you are starting new product development in the near future with Spartan class requirements I would suggest that you use the Spartan-6 family of FPGAs.

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@cs00brp wrote:

Hi. 

 

I have a current FPGA design based on a spartan 3AN and I was going to upgrade it to the spartan6.  But now that they annouced the Artix-7 I might wait for it.


 

You will wait a long time.

The rule is: never design with a product that you can't buy in small quantities from the DigiKey catalog.

----------------------------Yes, I do this for a living.
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Me too follow the rule of not designing (for home projects) if I can't get all the parts easily.

 

Fortunately, most Xilinx parts are available from Digikey, Farnell, Avnet express, Mouser, etc.

 

Where I find the biggest problem is in economical, prototype quantity, multilayer fine PCB maker and assembly.

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@jcabel wrote:

Me too follow the rule of not designing (for home projects) if I can't get all the parts easily.

 

Fortunately, most Xilinx parts are available from Digikey, Farnell, Avnet express, Mouser, etc.

 

Where I find the biggest problem is in economical, prototype quantity, multilayer fine PCB maker and assembly.


 

You missed my point, which has nothing to do with home hobby projects.

 

We have this rule because the last thing we need is to have our products ready to ship but certain parts are not available. So, what we do is wait for the particular part we want to use to be available from DigiKey or Mouser or whomever, and in reasonable quantities, without having to get into a queue.

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Hi

 

You should just make a design suitable for both FPGAs.

 

Keep in mind what upgrades are coming with Artix-7 and make a design not too much device dependent and able to be upgraded to make the most of new functions in the case the new FPGA is available.

 

For example you should put device dependent code inside wrappers files, for example for primitives such as ISERDES or IODELAY or use ready-to-use wrapper IPs such as DSP macro IP or GTP/GTX wizard IP.

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Also as far as I heard, Artix-7 should be available in 2012 Q1 in ES version but it is not official (I guess some big customers will be shipped earlier).

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@samcossais wrote:

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You should just make a design suitable for both FPGAs.


 

Easier said than done.

 

First and foremost: there's a PCB that needs to be designed. S6 and A7 are in no way pin-compatible. 

 

The rest is commentary. Now go study.

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By saying "You should just make a design suitable for both FPGAs " I meant if you are in a pure R&D phase, and basically only simulating. He said he may be able to wait. Making such a high level code is a way to wait imo.

 

I obviously understand that if you're already in the PCB design phase (which I understand is done before FPGA simulation for many projects), you can't make a board suitable for both FPGAs. I was actually working on the assumption that the person who opened this topic was aware of that as well (no need to be such a genius as you are to understand Artix-7 won't be pin compatible with Spartan-6).

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bassman59>
"Now go study"

Calm down man. How the hell do you know my curriculum ?? I've been working 8 years in medical imaging, mostly on FPGA development. Maybe much less than you or whatever I don't mind, but even if I actually was a student, I just really dislike this kind of haughty manner you have. Did I say myself anything unpolite ?

For example, maybe cs00brp was planning to update his design somewhere between 2011-2012 and was asking for a date, to give him some elements to decide for the schedule of new products releases. In this case he doesn't need to be said something he already knows (eg PCB design cannot be done if your FPGA is not 100% decided), but he needs to know an availability date.

I really don't like to have no idea about what's coming in the next few semesters (so that I don't like myself to be answered "I don't recommend you..." while I was asking for a date). I like to have some distance about what direction I'm gonna take in the next 1 or 2 years. If the guy wants a date, he is not asking for a recommendation.
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@samcossais wrote:

For example, maybe cs00brp was planning to update his design somewhere between 2011-2012 and was asking for a date, to give him some elements to decide for the schedule of new products releases. In this case he doesn't need to be said something he already knows (eg PCB design cannot be done if your FPGA is not 100% decided), but he needs to know an availability date.
Go back and re-read my recommendations. Those of us who actually do this for a living have learned that "Availability dates" for new devices tends to be wishful thinking based on marketing requirements. As in, "Oh, wait! Altera has announced their next-generation chip with these features, so we need to move up our announcement too, to prevent big customers from switching!"
So if you read that something will be available 2Q2012, does that mean it'll be available on 1 April or 30 June 2012? Both dates are in the second quarter. Does that mean that only one or two specific packages and part densities will be available by 30 June, or will the entire product line be available? Does this mean that only the big customers (who are likely already designing in using sample silicon) will be able to buy the parts, or will they be in the DigiKey catalog for us little guys?
That is what I meant about availability. So settle down, please.


I really don't like to have no idea about what's coming in the next few semesters (so that I don't like myself to be answered "I don't recommend you..." while I was asking for a date). I like to have some distance about what direction I'm gonna take in the next 1 or 2 years. If the guy wants a date, he is not asking for a recommendation.

Those of use who do this for a living don't like to have no idea what's coming in the next $TIMEPERIOD, either, but we've learned to live with that. Truth told, we are more concerned that a part we've been using for a while might go EOL than whether a new product will be available next month or next year. We design with what we can buy and solder to a board. Do you see why that's important? If we can't get parts, we can't sell product, and we can't get paid. Simple. Academic considerations are irrelevant to businesses trying to keep the doors open.

 

Thanks.

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@bassman59 wrote:

Go back and re-read my recommendations. Those of us who actually do this for a living [...] So settle down, please.
[...]

Those of use who do this for a living [...]

 

Thanks.


You're the one who should go back and re-read the question in the first place.

roughly guessing when will the first chips will show up.

 

Let me be clear : I don't like the way you speak to other people here.

 

The person asking this is not asking for your recommandations. At the time this question was asked, the questioner might have had his own good reasons for waiting for this chip. You can't know about that. And anyway we don't care. Just try to answer the question that's it.

 

And if you really want to give your recommandations, then maybe I wouldn't complain if you were not that much pretentious and you did not give them without working on the assumption that everyone else is wrong  and must be a student not knowing what he is talking about.

 

I don't know you, you don't know me. And as I said I AM NOT A STUDENT. I’VE BEEN WORKING ON FPGA DEVELOPMENT FOR MORE THAN 8 YEARS. Maybe not enough to be such a genius as you seem pretending to be, but I'm definitely not an amateur.

 

So now here is my opinion : what you say about the importance of availability is true. But does it mean that asking about Artix availability is irrelevant ? No it doesn't.

And obviously having some information about it (may it be just vague) is always better than having no clue at all.

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Now imo (just from my experience, as I'm not from Xilinx nor an FPGA dealer), Artix-7 may not be easily available (as bassman said, by "easily available" I mean it can be bought on DigiKey for instance) before the end of 2012.

 

And maybe some of you noticed, but the Artix-7 line-up has been badly reduced recently in february 2012. While 7 parts were first planned for the Artix-7 series (A8, A15, A30T, A50T, A100T, A200T, A350T), only 3 of them remain (A100T, A200T, A350T).

 

This means that in terms of logic cells, the smallest Artix-7 (A100T) will be bigger than the smallest Kintex-7 (K70T).

 

For those like me who are currently using Spartan-6 LX16, LX25 and LX45T and are hoping a replacement for the future series, it's very disappointing. I am using them in a middle-end portable ultrasound device and was interested in Artix-7 more than Kintex-7 (because of price tag and size).

 

Does anyone knows about future devices to replace LX25/45T class FPGAs ??

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@samcossais wrote:

Let me be clear : I don't like the way you speak to other people here.


Oh, please, lighten up, Francis. 

 

You're in way over your head.

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@bassman59 wrote:
Oh, please, lighten up, Francis.
You're in way over your head.

Sorry I'm not a native english speaker and I don't know the meaning of this second sentence.

 

But I'm really OK don't worry for me. Well from the start I'm actually trying to warn you you were the one not making the discussion cool and you continue being sarcastic. It's just desperate and pathetic. I give up.

But just know that the words you choose are pretty inappropriate if you want other forumers to be "lightened up".

 

I won't interfer to your posts anymore.

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