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Scholar drjohnsmith
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Registered: ‎07-09-2009

ISE tools status with the end of windows 7

ISE as we all know, stopped at 14.7 a few years ago, and does not run on windows 10. Windows 7 is it.

Windows 7 is all but EOL,

ISE is the only xilinx tool that supports the CPLD range you sell,

I also see that as of the last Xilinx Web site update, ISE14.7 download is a lot harder to find . 

I have cuctomers that use CPLDs , and are now concerned, 

   questions like, are xilinx going to drop support for CPLDs ?

    how are XIlinx expecting us to code CPLD's ?

 

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Re: ISE tools status with the end of windows 7

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Scholar drjohnsmith
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Registered: ‎07-09-2009

Re: ISE tools status with the end of windows 7


@devinl . To quote original question
"I have customers that use CPLDs , and are now concerned,
questions like, are xilinx going to drop support for CPLDs , how are Xilinx expecting us to code CPLD's ?"

Is this just the cobbled VM version running on linux , that most companies prohibit to be installed as they do not support VM's and it does not support CPLD's

or are you saying that Xilinx are at last going to support ISE on windows 10 for these ?

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Registered: ‎06-14-2010

Re: ISE tools status with the end of windows 7

Hello @drjohnsmith ,

The decision on this hasn’t been finalised yet, however for now you can just treat this the same way as was done when the support for windows XP ended in April  2014.

With windows 7 support drop, Microsoft will just no longer provide security updates or technical support for the Windows 7 operating system. As well as won’t sell genuine licenses for the Win7 installations.

The same was done with Windows XP drop.

Majority of the users can just continue using a free VM such as virtual box https://www.virtualbox.org/ and  then installing their own Windows 7 or Windows XP on that VM (if they still have their original installation disc, or get this on ebay that has many at very low cost).

In any case, that does mean customers would need to purchase a licence for Windows 7 or XP, which isn’t going to be available from Windows anymore, so that is just a workaround, but not a solution.

If that's a concern, the Linux options could be the only approach here, and it is available at lower cost than Windows.

For ISE, we have these below supported OSs. Therefore, if the users must work with older versions of Xilinx tools, like ISE, or earlier versions of Vivado that are only supported on Windows 7 or Linux OSs, and since Windows 7 is/will no longer be an option, in this case you can always install ISE on one of the Linux Supported OSs listed below.

https://www.xilinx.com/support/documentation/sw_manuals/xilinx14_7/irn.pdf

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RHEL OSs are still and will be available to be purchased from e.g. Redhat website.

I was able to easily find this on their website, where the users have a choice to buy a cheaper version (Self-Support one) or a Standard version (with customer support option available), i.e.:

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In relation to:

With this changes, Xilinx ISE users will be effected most, as we don’t support Full ISE on Windows 10, and now, if Win 7 support drops altogether, does that mean we are dropping support for CPLDs for example?

The answer is No, as there are currently no plans to drop support for CPLDs. Depending on the version of ISE that supports a CPLD in question, the customer can always use a corresponding e.g. Red Hat Linux OS. This AR lists all of the ISE releases and their corresponding supported OSs:

https://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/18419.html

Labtools (ChipScope and iMACT) are also supported on Linux.

The cable drivers can also be installed on Linux.

Here are the 2 ARs that shows ways of installing cable drivers on Linux.

https://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/66440.html

https://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/54381.html

 

Therefore, to me the use of Linux OSs is the valid approach in this case. Even Windows is planning to ship a full Linux kernel directly in Windows 10 (i.e. Microsoft’s Linux subsystem in Windows) 😊.

Microsoft isn't going to replace the Windows kernel, however the Linux kernel will run as a VM, which is a common way of running operating systems within an operating system. The users will have to make a point of installing Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) if they want to use the Linux kernel.

More info can be found here: https://www.wired.com/story/enemies-no-more-microsoft-brings-linux-kernel-windows/#

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Anatoli Curran,
Xilinx Technical Support
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Scholar drjohnsmith
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Registered: ‎07-09-2009

Re: ISE tools status with the end of windows 7

You seem to be saying either use an old Windows or Linux,

   and use a VM to account for these OS's not supporting newer hardware 

 

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Registered: ‎06-14-2010

Re: ISE tools status with the end of windows 7

Hi @drjohnsmith ,

From the below AR you can find the version of the tools that support a CPLD in question:

https://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/15938.html

Based on the ISE version from the above AR, you can then find a supported OS from the link below:

https://www.xilinx.com/support/answers/18419.html

If/as Windows 7/XP is not an option, what i was suggesting is to use a supported Linux OS.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Anatoli Curran,
Xilinx Technical Support
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